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      How much grammar is needed for spoken english

      Hi

      I am an engineering graduate. I am inclined towards English rather than my technology. I have started teaching absolute beginners and there are some students who seek me to get trained in spoken language. How do I train them?Do they need grammar? how should i start teaching them? Since i was a technical student I couldn't know what I should do with the students even though I know language to some extent. I would get valuable suggestions and solutions, I believe.

      thanks

      nisha


      pramodgokhale19's picture
      pramodgokhale19
      Submitted on 3 September, 2009 - 14:58

      Yes it is required in any language we speak by grammer ok slang or cokeny english is also in practice

      I am also a english trainer & new but i simplified the way they could speak but then also with vocabulary plus

      essential in language we could train them then batches of student & business aspects are also the factor

      personal attendance is necessary to teach 6months is the time to get command plus students should   be given

      material for reading writing so they will come up to some acceptable level

       

      pramod gokhale 9225734459

      nishanthini's picture
      nishanthini
      Submitted on 4 September, 2009 - 13:21

      hello sir,

      I really appreciate for your valuable suggestion. Thank you so much. what are all the methodologies you follow to train students who come for spoken language. Is it ok if we start from syllables.

      hope you would give me a solution.

      thanks

      nisha

       

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      anupkumarr
      Submitted on 6 September, 2009 - 18:51

      Grammar describes a language. Grammar is of many types. Prescriptive grammar prescribes rules, tells the users what to use or how to use. In teaching the standard form of English we may need formal grammar. But why in teaching spoken form? Just think, meditate, ruminate how we learn, acquire and incidentally learn our mother tonguge. Do we learn initially grammarof Li?Cetainly not.We listen to our elders,carry out tasks, relate certain forms of wordS AND UNDERSTAND EVEYTHING HAS A NAME as a character in Gulliver's Travels gives importance to names. Our students in their surroundings hear so many English words and we need to expand and give them enough exposure to listening instead of correcting, thereby giving them an edge in their self- esteem. Oracy and oral fluency is important. They need to open and come out of their cocoon to speak, for which they can be given rhymes and chants. Yes.syllbles,words, simpleandknown will be a good starting point.  Even they can be be empowered with alphabet and their sounds.They can be paired to  take part in different types of problem solving exercises where their attention will be on meaning,not on form. In course of time they will discover the rules on which you may please discuss with examples and explanations.But uses and funtions are important in order to communicate in target langugae.

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      nishanthini
      Submitted on 7 September, 2009 - 08:07

      Hi there,

      Ireally appreciate your suggestion. a start from syllables is really a good point. I'll work it out to get a better result.

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      truefriend
      Submitted on 7 September, 2009 - 08:39

      Hi Nisha,

      Please do not worry at all when you teach grammer. In India we speak our native language.Right? But we speak it without learning grammer. So it is with  spoken english too!

      Hope you are happy!!?

      Sunny

      nishanthini's picture
      nishanthini
      Submitted on 8 September, 2009 - 08:08

      Hello sir,

      Really happy... actually it was a doubt from my age when I started to learn english with a real interest. As you said we do speak our native language without knowing grammar. So it is with english. but at times, I dont feel confident, and I am afraid whether I may go wrong in tenses and articles. So I have started working with my grammar along with the accent.

      Thanks a lot for your suggestion

      nisha

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      girishseshamani
      Submitted on 8 September, 2009 - 15:25

       

      It is a fact that we picked up our mother tongue purely by listening to our parents speak. The English Language also needs to be learnt the same way. Let us understand that we cannot do away with Grammar completely. Once your students get rid of their fear and shyness you need to initiate them to speak grammatically correct sentences. The process that you introduce needs to be very interesting. Depending on the age group of your learners you need to decide which methodology will be effective.

      Coming to your concern about tenses, your fear is valid. Tenses form the crux of grammar. You need to be familiar will all the 12 forms of tenses, though the Past Perfect Continuous, Present Perfect Continuous and Future Perfect Continuous are not used frequently. You also need to get familiar with articles, non finites and prepositions. In the case of prepositions, the exceptions are more than the rules. The best way, is to get familiar with the application of prepositions with different words.

      As we are not native speakers there is bound to be a strong regional influence while we speak. To come to a neutral accent requires lot of commitment and dedication.  

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      neutralaccent
      Submitted on 24 September, 2009 - 17:24

      Grammar is essential if you want to sound intelligent.

      Grammar is a way of thinking about language. Without it, we have nothing. Without grammar although people recognize his English, it will be difficult and frustrating. Spelling and punctuation are important as well. To really impress native speakers, learn to speak English correctly. Broken English, even though fluent, is nothing more than a chance for people to laugh at you....

      Ref: http://www.neutralaccent.com

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      JASKARAN SINGH
      Submitted on 5 October, 2009 - 16:27

      We should eschew learning explicit grammar. When we give ourselves exposure to the language and start using it with whatever inputs we have, grammar and vocabulary follows. So far as Spoken English is concerned, fluency should be our focus accuracy or grammar will gradually follow. When we use the target language we start getting feedback from the people around us and keep on correcting ourselves. So 'How much grammar?' is a question which can never be answered. A driver after learning to drive a car keeps on refining his skill if continues to drive. How good he becomes at driving depends on how much time he spends in driving and also on other factors which are very individual in nature. Same is the case with the language. Accuracy depends on many factors, like from what sources we learn English or where we use the language and so on. My suggestion therefore is concentrate on fluency and let accuracy or acceptability follow it. 

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      camee
      Submitted on 11 October, 2009 - 12:32

      Jaskaran Singh's approach is the one I tend to follow. It seems he is quite an experienced teacher. Newer teachers would benefit by reflecting on the concepts of "fluency", "accuracy" and "acceptability". May I add "intelligibility"?